This is a thing that made me happy today.
I was listening to Brené Browns podcast, and she had two other podcasters on – Tim Ferriss (my absolute favorite podcast) and Dax Shepard, who I did not know at all. So naturally, I was curious about what this Dax guy was doing, since he was invited into such great company.
So, I checked out his podcast, and it´s called Armchair Expert.
At first glance, I thought that it wasn’t my thing, because scrolling down the guestlist it was mostly actors, and actors generally does not interest me. But some of the episodes features people like Brené Brown, Sam Harris and Esther Perel, so I gave it a chance anyway.
It turns out that I really like Dax, because he is uncompromisingly honest and open, and really does the work of challenging his own assumptions, is curious about why he does and think as he do, and seem to learn from his mistakes and listens to input from others – which translates into willingness to grow. On top of that, he is completely comfortable with making fun of himself for all the mistakes or “bad” personality traits that he either still have, or shit he has done in the past.
In my book, that is basically a list of the most important and interesting qualities a human being can have.
Then I discover that he is married to Kirsten Bell, and they have an episode together, that was supposed to be about the third season of the Good Place – but most of the episode are just them talking about random stuff in their life. Same with another episode they did together that I listened to after.
Here is why that was amazing to me:
Something I have always really wanted in a relationship, is to be such a state of trust that you are allowed to get really curios about each other and dig deep into why we do the things that we do.
All of us have different perspectives and understanding of situations, different patterns, reactions, baggage, expirence, triggers, humor and ALL of that life-stuff which makes us all unique.
This is also why it can sometimes take abit of work to understand others, while at the same time being the reason why it is so much fun getting to know them.
How and why we perceive any given situation differently it is literally the most interesting thing in the world to me to explore with people close to me.
I think it is a beautiful thing and I do it with my self all the time – challenging my own thinking, examining why I react in certain ways and how I can do better.
I believe in my core that the whole purpose of living is to understand yourself, others and the human condition, in order to grow and be the absolute best human you can be.
Sadly, I have not had much success doing this in my relationships.
When I ask “why” questions, people tend to take it personally, like it is an attack and then they armor up. Or, they read it as a passive aggressive judgement on my part – instead of genuine curiosity.
If I turn it around and instead of asking questions, I go into explaining why I did or said what I did, in an attempt to start that type of conversation, I get perceived as being defensive or apologetic.
For me, it it´s a way to create intimacy, understanding and growth. I want to learn about them. But sadly, it often gets perceived as instigating conflict.
I have had friends with whom I could do this, and that has given me such happiness and tremendous personal growth as a result, but it is rare in my life as it is now, and it is not a culture I have been able to successfully create in my romantic relationships.
Enter Dax and Kirsten. Those guys did just that, as if it was the most natural thing in the world. And you could feel, that to them, it is.
To me, that’s just beautiful.
Listening to them made me feel hopeful and happy.
Right now, I just kinda want to marry both of them – but I will settle for knowing that maybe my relationship goals are not utopia after all.